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Jul. 19th, 2004 | 09:01 pm

So according to Mussolini fascism is the union of the state and business interests. Theocracy is generally defined as the union of religion and the state.

So what's it called when you unify all three?

I mean besides the current Bush administration.

Also I just finished snow crash and I'm curious as Stephenson is a libertarian. Both snow crash and the diamond age take place in a world where national governments have collapsed and are replaced with an interlocking series of business franchises (snow crash) or a tribal/business entities (diamond age). However those societies seem pretty unpleasant places to live.

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Josh

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from: irilyth
date: Jul. 20th, 2004 12:21 pm (UTC)
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Mussolini is wrong about what fascism is. It's perhaps vaguely business-like, in that it's authoritarian and hierarchical, but a fascist country could be completely hostile to business interests.

I haven't read Diamond Age, and don't remember Snow Crash well enough to remember whether it's ultimately utopic or dystopic. On the other hand, a libertarian paradise is perhaps unlikely to appeal to devout anti-libertarian people anyway... I wouldn't expect a fascist utopia to seem appealing to libertarians, no matter how much fun everyone in the story says they're having.

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Diane Trout

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from: alienghic
date: Jul. 26th, 2004 11:27 pm (UTC)
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Mussolini is wrong about what fascism is.

I went and did some research about fascism and learned that at least for mussolini there was a strong link to corporatism. The definition of corporatism is rather slippery.

Though the sense that I had of rich capitalists being pro-fascist perhaps makes sense from the following quote. Free Market theorists like Milton Friedman would describe corporatism as socialism for the wealthy. It has the outward form of capitalism in that it preserves private ownership and private management, but as with socialism, government guarantees the flow of material goods, which under true capitalism it does not.

Interestingly, if fascism is defined purely in terms of being corporatist, then FDR's New Deal might would also be considered fascist.

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antiopa

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from: antiopa
date: Jul. 23rd, 2004 11:30 am (UTC)
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I *loved* Snow Crash, although my knowledge of political science is so fuzzy that I can't speak to the libertarian issue.

I think I was just far too amused by the "librarian". I like a software agent that can articulate its own limitations. "Go ask someone real." *snerk*

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Diane Trout

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from: alienghic
date: Jul. 26th, 2004 11:30 pm (UTC)
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Stephenson is an amazingly good writer, though periodically some of his ideas make me feel disturbed. The people with the radio antenna in their heads was kind of creepy.

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