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Jan. 3rd, 2004 | 10:16 pm

In other news for today, I also told the people I was helping to move that I was vegan. It's the first time that I've claimed that identity.

I also managed to negotiate going to a restaurant and finding something to eat. After having to ask to make sure the sandwich didn't come with any mayonnaise I realized that being vegan might be good for me in a completely unexpected way.

I've historically had trouble standing up for myself and asking to have my needs met, having to ask to substitute items should be good practice for me.

(When going for coffee on friday I also had to ask to have soy milk instead of the cream that the drink I like usually had).

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secretslip

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from: secretslip
date: Jan. 3rd, 2004 11:17 pm (UTC)
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No one likes an extremist.
You're just going to cut yourself off from more people.

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Diane Trout

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from: alienghic
date: Jan. 3rd, 2004 11:30 pm (UTC)
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Actually it all depends on how you relate to others. For instance since I've been talking about veganism and bad mouthing the atkins diet on my LJ, two people on my friends list have also decided to try veganism.

What I did was talk about how it impacted me the parts I liked and the parts I disliked, which is relatively non-threatening.

The thing the the activist does of directly confronting people does really alienate people from her.

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her other side

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from: saltbox
date: Jan. 4th, 2004 05:34 pm (UTC)
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Actually it all depends on how you relate to others.

You said it! I've never noticed any lessening of friends from me and my roomie Il's lack of meat/lack of television stance.

And besides, there's a lot to be said for standing up for one's own principles. I mean, many of the anti-racist beliefs we take for granted now (as much-improved upon as they could still be) were considered "extreme" at other points in time.

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secretslip

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from: secretslip
date: Jan. 5th, 2004 08:44 am (UTC)
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What does this have to do with television?

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her other side

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from: saltbox
date: Jan. 5th, 2004 08:54 am (UTC)
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What does this have to do with television?

You seemed (in my view) to be treating as "extreme" abstention from things in which most Americans commonly engage: in this case, the consumption of animal-products. I was giving examples of various behaviors of mine which could, by that characterization, also be regarded by you as extreme---not eating meat and not watching television---and stating that in my experience, this has not led to being cut off from more and more people.

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[you'll find a light, find a friend, find a way]

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from: artemii
date: Jan. 4th, 2004 08:10 am (UTC)
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geez, don't you think you're being a bit shrill?

beyond the question of whether all veganism is "extremist" (which i personally don't believe, though i'm not a vegan), your statement is as questionable as any other generalization. if nobody liked an extremist, bush wouldn't have almost won the popular vote in the u.s., and terrorists wouldn't be doing so well recruiting people, and on and on and on. extremism is actually pretty popular, at least in part because setting the world into neat little black and white categories is so much easier and simpler than trying to think for yourself through all the greys of life.

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Happy Fun Nuala

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from: hfnuala
date: Jan. 4th, 2004 09:38 am (UTC)
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wow. I've just been reading 'Living Among Meat Eaters' and this is exactly the sort of reaction it talks about - why is it so hard for people to just accept the dietary choices of others? alienghic's food choices are about food and not cutting herself off from other people. If other people then find it difficult to interact with her it's really their problem. I'm not a veggie (though I have been) but I've never experienced accomodating other people's food choices as a hardship for myself.

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Diane Trout

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from: alienghic
date: Jan. 5th, 2004 12:16 am (UTC)
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I really liked that book, I though some of the explanations on why people get so defensive with vegetarian/vegans were dead on.

Though negotiating restaurant choices can be challenging between a vegan and a meat eater.

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Happy Fun Nuala

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from: hfnuala
date: Jan. 5th, 2004 03:38 am (UTC)
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You see, this is what I don't get - as a meat eater I don't find it a hardship to eat a meal that doesn't include meat. And I believe that making a big deal about it is just rude.

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secretslip

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from: secretslip
date: Jan. 5th, 2004 08:49 am (UTC)
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This isn't about Diane's food choices, it's about her "identifying as a vegan".

I'm annoyed that she can't just fucking eat her carrots, she has to be so obvious about it. I can picture it now: "Oh, can you just leave the mayonaise off that sandwhich, I'm _VEGAN_"

Diane constantly comes by my office hassling me about the sins of eating meat.

If other people then find it difficult to interact with her it's really their problem.
But it's also her problem. Because then she has fewer people.

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soulspirals

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from: soulspirals
date: Jan. 4th, 2004 08:28 am (UTC)
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That sounds like great practice to me!

Living by example, gentle explanations and respecting other people's choices will get many of our causes far. You go!

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Diane Trout

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from: alienghic
date: Jan. 4th, 2004 11:39 am (UTC)
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Gentle explanations are the hardest part–especially for topics that you feel passionate about.

I used to be more confrontational, but learned that just alienated people so then I tried being quiet. But that left me feeling alienated because no one understood me.

I suspect somewhere between there's a happy median but I'm still looking for it. (Well maybe I found one technique, talking about how veganism helped me lose a lot of weight might be reasonably gentle.)

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secretslip

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from: secretslip
date: Jan. 5th, 2004 08:50 am (UTC)
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What are your causes?

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soulspirals

Causes

from: soulspirals
date: Jan. 5th, 2004 09:12 am (UTC)
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Of all of my issues, I am most focused on integrity, personal accountability and honesty.

For a long time I was really focused on queer-rights issues. I eventually got burned out on focusing on those issues, because I was sick of the in-fighting and back-stabbing within the "community". If something came to my attention in my local community around those issues, I would probably still commit to doing the work.

I'm pretty committed to civil liberties and civil rights issues in general. I was fortunate to get to spend a year working for the ACLU directly using my skills to help some of that work happen.

I'm really invested in freedom of religion coupled with the separation of church and state. I'm pagan and my parents are hard core right-wing evangelicals. I'm determined that we should all have equal rights and respect and that no one gets to force their religion on either of us.

I've spent the last year going to demonstrations against the war on Iraq.

I've recently become more interested in anti-globalization issues, and travelled to Miami in November to demonstrate against the FTAA.

For many years now I have boycotted a lot of consumer products when I've disagreed with how they use their money or how they make their products. I don't buy products manufactured or distributed by the big tobacco companies. I don't buy products from Kimberley Clark or Johnson & Johnson because they do animal testing. I don't knowlingly buy products with GMOs. I try to avoid many purchases from big box stores. I make some, but I haven't been in a Walmart in three or four years. I only buy Fair Trade coffee, and shade-grown if I can get it.

I'm thinking about getting involved with the issue of healthcare accessibility.

Those are the big ones.

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from: musicwomyn
date: Jan. 4th, 2004 02:23 pm (UTC)
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Good for you and good luck! I don't think it will be that hard for you and seeing as it was surprising not that hard for me, it should be a cince for you. I am thinking of attempting to go that path again, too, soon.

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Diane Trout

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from: alienghic
date: Jan. 5th, 2004 12:13 am (UTC)
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Basically the only part that is challenging for me is dealing with restaurants.

(And missing cheese, although I know it's not good for me, I did rather like it).

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from: musicwomyn
date: Jan. 5th, 2004 03:43 am (UTC)
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I found that I didn't miss cheese as much as I thought I would. It tapers off quickly. Also, you don't have to quit cold turkey. Have you looked at vegdining.com for restaurants?

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secretslip

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from: secretslip
date: Jan. 5th, 2004 08:53 am (UTC)
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You are insane! You're a monk!

For thousands of years, our people have spent their time learning how to cook, spice and serve meat and cheese. It nourishes us. We enjoy it.

It's like giving up dancing.

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soulspirals

Ethnic food

from: soulspirals
date: Jan. 5th, 2004 09:16 am (UTC)
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That's our solution. My girl is vegetarian, and many of our friends range from vegetarian to vegan. Several of us are also wheat-free. We tend to go to Japanese and Thai restaurants a lot. Indian too (although that's harder on the dairy).

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