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Jan. 2nd, 2004 | 12:28 pm
mood: resigned

So I can blame the activist for motivating me sufficiently to look into the issues surrounding dairy and egg production.

Given my beliefs of wanting to minimize harm and the nature of the current food industry, it appears that I should be vegan.

I did think some about the argument in vegetarianism vs. mindful meat eating, and I acknowledge that given sufficient evidence for humane treatment I might eat products with eggs or dairy. However I realized that virtually no restaurant and very few individuals will have bothered to use humanely produced eggs or dairy, which implies that I shouldn't support those products–which implies, for all practical purposes, veganism.

I do understand that others might not be able to make this same choice for their own health reasons. I've reached a point in my knowledge where I can comfortably meet all of my nutritional needs through plant based sources, but I understand that others might not have reached that same point.

Also if you're thinking about switching to a more plant based diet, I'd really recommend reading materials on vegetarian nutrition, there are some potential pitfalls of vegetarianism that can be easily avoided with adequate foreknowledge.

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velcrocat

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from: velcrocat
date: Jan. 2nd, 2004 05:34 pm (UTC)
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i am totally with you. i am really struggling with vegetarian vs. vegan issues.

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Diane Trout

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from: alienghic
date: Jan. 2nd, 2004 05:43 pm (UTC)
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I don't think i'd recommend that someone jump directly to veganism. But after being vegetarian for a while it seems like it's rather easy to progress toward veganism.

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Josh

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from: irilyth
date: Jan. 2nd, 2004 05:36 pm (UTC)
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Why "resigned"? It seems to me that if you're concerned about humane treatment of animals, any product where animals were used in production at any point in the process is probably off-limits, unless you can verify that the animals were treated humanely, which youu generally can't... So adopting veganism seems like a good thing in that case.

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Diane Trout

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from: alienghic
date: Jan. 2nd, 2004 05:41 pm (UTC)
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The resigned part is probably because I'm a little afraid of the social reaction, vegans are typicall perceived as being "to extreme"

I also do wonder how muuch i'm being influenced by trying to impress someone who I find really attractive.

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the Edward

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from: thedward
date: Jan. 3rd, 2004 02:00 pm (UTC)
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I have chosen to maintain a vegan diet for January; I've already discovered one case where I think I may like the vegan alternative better: soy beverage in my latte instead of bovine milk.

I have been maintaining a (mostly) vegetarian diet since the beginning of last year. To be honest, my reasons are still not entirely clear to me, but it is still a choice I am glad of. In exploring the moral aspects, I at some point came across the figures regarding the number of animals killed in the process of modern farming (I don't have a link handy, and my fexofenadine addled brain can't seem to construct a useful google string). The numbers were quite surprising and somewhat depressing. I would like to see more information on the matter, broken down by crop type. Regardless, it certainly complicates the moral calculations. ( Did you post a link about this at some point?). Though it is certainly arguable that the continual suffering of animals held captive is worse than the quick death of wild animals killed quickly (?) by the farming equipment.

I need to do more research on this.

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Diane Trout

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from: alienghic
date: Jan. 3rd, 2004 09:17 pm (UTC)
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I found an essay OSU scientist questions the moral basis of a vegan diet.

My counter arguments include: in theory switching to more small scale organic farms could produce food with fewer dead field mice; and that the field mouse does at least have a chance to run away unlike the food animal. (albiet a small chance depending on how fast the harvesting equipment drives).

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