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Jul. 10th, 2001 | 12:40 am

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As <lj-user="soulsong"> recently mentioned <a href="http://www.thesmart.co.uk">the smart</a> car I discovered one of them made it to the U.S and was found flirting with an even smaller car.

<a href="http://www.commutercars.com">The tango</a> You can see it with the smart <a href="http://www.commutercars.com/images/gallery/pebbleBeach/pebble05SmartTango.html">here</a>

If the tango works anywhere as well as it's specs suggest I think I want one. Hopefully it wont be too insanely expensive.

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Freya

Tango in the night

from: moonglade
date: Jul. 10th, 2001 02:22 am (UTC)
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I kind of like the tango, it looks kind of cross eyed in a cute kind of way. I suspect it might be *too* small though. There was a similar car for sale here in the uk at one point that was powered by a scooter engine or something, in fact there was a nice little van version of it too, but they didn't look as cute as the tango.

I'm just not sure how *practical* the tango would be, I mean by the time it is that small, maybe it would be better to just use a bicycle, or to go further distance, a scooter (lambretta or something not one of those little silver things you stand on with one foot! *giggle*)

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Diane Trout

Re: Tango in the night

from: alienghic
date: Jul. 10th, 2001 02:42 am (UTC)
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Well according to their proposed specifications
it can travel 80 miles with ordinary batteries
and maybe 150 with the best NiMH batteries.
It has sports car like handling and acceleration.

So it'd be a pretty decent way of getting around
a completly car-centric city like los angeles.

Though if we had a functional train/bus system that
ran late at night, a bike would be sufficient
for me to be able to go places.

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Freya

Re: Tango in the night

from: moonglade
date: Jul. 10th, 2001 02:51 am (UTC)
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Wow it's electric! I hadn't realised! Wonderful!
I always think they should put solar panels on the roof though!

Here in the uk we have milk floats to carry milk to people and they are electric and they have flat square roofs perfect for mounting solar panels on, I bet they spend a lot of the day just sitting around doing nothing because they just deliver the milk in the morning and that's it.

Cars in citys are silly. I think they should have electric lanes in the cities or just ban anything but electric cars. I think it is really silly when you see those huge gas guzzlers just sitting there, and maybe getting up to 3 miles an hour at most, those people should be made to drive a milk float let alone any other kind of electric viechle!

I don't really know what a sports car is, so I don't know what you mean by handling and acceleration, I guess that means it starts up quick or something?

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Diane Trout

Re: Tango in the night

from: alienghic
date: Jul. 10th, 2001 01:08 pm (UTC)
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Mmm.. banning cars. :)

We can't do that here because the U.S. government is in the pocket of
the Car, Oil, and Tire manufacturers. You see southern california used
to have an effective mass transit system that was taken apart by those
companies. So we've gotten ourselves into the situation where there
aren't really any alternatives to driving except in small localized
places.

Like the particular city I live in, Pasadena, is really neat as we
actually have pedestrians. The city is small enough that you can get
to theaters, stores, libraries, etc. Though I think the reason it's
laid out better for pedestrians was pasadena started to grow before
the car was popular. Most of the houses were built in the 1920's

However in the rest of L.A. we have people commuting 30-40 miles to
work sitting alone in gigantic SUVs while driving abou 15 miles an
hour through gridlock.

I'd say we should reserve a special level of hell for them, except
with global climate change and other bits of misery they're bringing
hell here.

Maybe as punishment we should make them *walk*. Since the average speed on
the freeways here during peak usage are rapidly declining to the speed
of an average cyclst, biking is too good for them.

*Diane gets passionatly angry about america's suicidal obsesion with
the car.*

The school I went to had a solar powered car that they entered into
competitions. I think it's top speed on flat terrain in a bright
sunlight was about 30 miles per hour. The best place for solar
panels is on the roofs of houses, you want some tilt to the panel so
it can catch more sunlight.

Electrics are better than gasoline powered cars, but they still need
lots of roads and encourage people to live in urban sprawl instead of
higher density cities. There's a whole host of environmental problems
that come from sprawl even ignoring the polution caused by driving
long distances. Smaller cities make mass transit alternatives more
pratical.

*sigh*

Sometimes I feel like I'm standing on the titanic trying to convince
people that we're sinking.

"No", they say, "Nothing bad can happen to us, we're rich, and this is
boat is made from the most advanced technologies we have."
"But," I reply", "The water levels are rising, and we're running out
of options on how to respond."
"Your stories bother us, so go away.", they casually respond.
"Can I at least get to the lifeboat your sitting on?", I ask.
"No, why would you need such a thing, since there's nothing wrong."

*Diane is frustrated because one of her best friends brains has been
eaten by car-culture and she's been making angry sounding, biting
comments about me being "against wheels" and other such things.*

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Freya

Re: Tango in the night

from: moonglade
date: Jul. 10th, 2001 05:12 pm (UTC)
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>Mmm.. banning cars. :)

>We can't do that here because the U.S. >government is in the pocket of
>the Car, Oil, and Tire manufacturers. You see

Oh it's the same here really, I was just talking about a Freya government. :)

Having said that I think Red Ken might be doing something about the cars problem in London. How ironic it is. Old Ken seems to be doing a lot more than the current government and he is just the mayor! :)

>southern california used
>to have an effective mass transit system that >was taken apart by those
>companies. So we've gotten ourselves into the >situation where there

Oh it is the same over here. They did away with all the trams and now they are putting them all back in again at great cost. The countries on the mainland that kept their trams are looking preety smug I think! :)

SanFrancisco still has trams doesn't it?
I wonder how they managed to keep theirs.
Quite a tourist attraction now as I understand too???

>aren't really any alternatives to driving except >in small localized
>places.

Well yes there are places like that here. It is a problem when they talk of increasing the petrol costs because some places are very isolated and since they privatised all the buses, places that are not profitable are not served by public transport so those people are reliant on their cars and get upset about rises in petrol costs.

love

Freya

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Diane Trout

Re: Tango in the night

from: alienghic
date: Jul. 10th, 2001 06:36 pm (UTC)
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Yea local government! Mayors of big enough places have a lot of clout.

Yes San Fransisco does actually have working mass transit. They've got a long range train system CalTrain, a local system BART, then there's also MUNI (which I'm not sure what part that is). Then they have cable cars still running as well.

The cable cars are really neat because they're really quiet. The only noise is from the driver pulling and releasing a lever that grabs hold of the cable.

One of the things that I'd read recently is how when the rich move out to the suburbs it destroys the tax base of the city which then causes the city to decay and they can't afford to maintain their services. And of course the rich ones can usually make sure that things that they need are available. Like lets run that freeway that connects us to the coast through those poor neighborhoods. That way we'll never have to see them.

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Freya

Re: Tango in the night

from: moonglade
date: Jul. 11th, 2001 04:14 pm (UTC)
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>Yea local government! Mayors of big enough >places have a lot of clout.

Well it's very strange because over here, mayors are usually just figureheads who open libraries and the like, they don't actual have any power just do ceromonial things, what's more the public don't actually get to vote for them!

Local government is run by councils and councillers. However when they decided to have a mayor for London it was very different, we got to vote for him and we all voted for Red Ken which annoyed the hell out of the government who didn't want him to stand at all, so he had to stand as an independant, it was all very messy! The thing is he seems to actually have a little power, not much but a little which is great because he seems to be doing more with it than the national government with the staggering power they have to do things!

Are the cable cars gravity/water powered?

As for the rich in the suburbs, here in the uk we now have something called council tax which is a local thing, the trouble is you often have to pay less council tax in the more well off areas! The wealthy are able to look after themselves more and there is less crime and the like so they are less likely to need services such as medical/police/fire etc. Because they don't contribute anything much the cost to everyone else is greater.

One of the things that is bad, is there seems to be this growing reluctance to contribute to society as a whole. I mean I am glad to contribute money to help those who may have worse illness or other problems than myself! I feel glad that I don't have those problems and as someone else is having to take those burdens, I am happy to help them in their plight.

I probably havn't put any of that very well!
But I know what I mean! :)

love

Freya

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Diane Trout

Re: Tango in the night

from: alienghic
date: Jul. 12th, 2001 01:43 am (UTC)
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Congradulations on actually managing to elect someone when the rest of your government was against them.

The cable cars work by an amazingly simple, but quite impressive system.

There is a big cable that snakes around san fransisco under ground, the cable cars have a clamp that grabs hold of the cable which pulls them along their route. The cable is being pulled at some central location somewhere in san fransisco.

I think I am turning into some type of socialist. Letting the rich get richer and the poor, poorer is getting frustrating.

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Freya

Re: Tango late in the night

from: moonglade
date: Jul. 10th, 2001 02:54 am (UTC)
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Aren't you up *very* late?
Do you work unusual hours or do you just suffer the next morning?

What is it that you do for work?

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Diane Trout

Re: Tango late in the night

from: alienghic
date: Jul. 10th, 2001 10:30 am (UTC)
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*Yawn*, now I'm up early... it's 10:10am, I went to bed around 2:40am

(I want my missing half hour)

I'm a programmer/sysadmin working at Caltech in a lab. It's almost like being a grad student, I don't really have fixed hours. One of my coworkers was nocturnal for a few weeks. Another we didn't see for several days--we weren't sure if he'd left the country, or if he was working from home. A few days later he showed up with a completed project.

It's pretty much the best possible job/work environment for me, short of not needing to work.

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Freya

Re: Tango late in the night

from: moonglade
date: Jul. 10th, 2001 05:12 pm (UTC)
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Wow that sounds like a great job! :)

What do you mean about a missing half hour though?
Are you suffering from missing time?

love

Freya

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Diane Trout

Re: Tango late in the night

from: alienghic
date: Jul. 10th, 2001 06:23 pm (UTC)
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Nah, it was just that I got 7.5 hours of sleep instead 8 hours. So as I was trying to wake up I wanted my missing half hour of sleep.

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Freya

Re: Tango late in the night

from: moonglade
date: Jul. 11th, 2001 04:13 pm (UTC)
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Oh yes! 8 hours the medical minimum! :)

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narcissus-alicious

*lol*

from: nalicious
date: Jul. 10th, 2001 08:48 pm (UTC)
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it looks like one of the cars in a Richard Scarey cartoon (go to a children's section in a book store if you have no idea what I am talking about).

Yes, I am sure it is efficient, but I, and every one of my friends would have to have one of our own in order to go anywhere in a group. Maybe you could hook a trailer up behind it and drag your friends along that way??

and yes, it is cute, and I don't have my license or a car. train and feet bay-bee. train and feet.

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Diane Trout

Re: *lol*

from: alienghic
date: Jul. 11th, 2001 12:55 am (UTC)
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You can put two people in it
(Hmmm I wonder if the following HTML will actually manage to include
the image inline.)
<img src="http://www.commutercars.com/images/intro/takestwo.jpg> Well okay it's entirely possible that the woman sitting in the uhm, trunk (or boot) has no legs. I'm sure that if all of your friends were clowns you could put at least three or four people in the tango. ;) As for the trailier, they did mention on their site that they were thinking of producing a trailer for extra range. I'm sure you could strap a friend or two on it. And it's got a sun roof. so you could have someone standing on the drivers shoulders.

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narcissus-alicious

well....

from: nalicious
date: Jul. 11th, 2001 04:18 am (UTC)
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I guess it makes sense that it takes two to tango.

Teenagers wouldn't like it much though, even though you can fit two... well... there really isn't much of a backseat *G* Those gas guzzlers are good for something anyway.

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Diane Trout

Re: well....

from: alienghic
date: Jul. 11th, 2001 03:40 pm (UTC)
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*Grin* at the pun

*Blush* at the alternate uses of backseats.

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